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NoEcons4U v2 - King of Swiss - 39 Player Singapore Open | 12 | 6 | 19 | 1.0 |
No Funny Stuff: Ep4 - Greyjoy Kings of Winter | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1.0 |
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My thinking when making this deck was that I wanted to create something that had definitive positive match-ups against the three decks everyone seems to be complaining about at the moment - 'Clock' decks, Tinder Marge decks, and Lanni Jumpers - while also being a coherent strong build against other decks.
To that end, I knew location destruction was going to be important for the deck, being strong as it is against clock decks (...all their win conditions), and Lanni Jumpers (Harrenhal). However, against most normal decks, they have no fancy locations... but they do have economy. Roseroads, Kingsroads, Ocean Roads. So, choke it is then.
Against Margaery, the key cards are the double Barring the Gates, which is also fantastic in the Lannister match-up. Do not sleep on this card, it hoses so many things - Here to Serve, Margaery, Ghosts of Harrenhal, Lanni jumper tech, any Ambush at all, Arianne... It ruins a lot of fun for the opponent, in short. Nightmares is also terrific in this match-up, for letting you surprise your opponent with the ability to mil challenge them after all - and as a cherry on top, Nightmares is also fantastic for blanking economy cards, either to just aid the general choking effort or to then let you discard them with Newly Made Lord.
These facts come together to make choke both a coherent theme that can present a challenge for any deck and also a specifically tough match-up for those three important "must answer" decks.
There are other choices made beyond that of course, but in the interests of brevity I'll stop here. If anyone has any questions I'm happy to answer them.
Quick TR: Round One: Win Vs Greyjoy Stag (Seemed like mostly a false banner) Round Two: Win Vs Targ Fealty Round Three: Win Vs Night's Watch Lion (A mean aggro build we call "Half-man, Half-hand") Round Four: Win Vs Tyrell Wolf (Tinder Marge deck) Round Five: Win Vs Bara Fealty (traditional dominance build) My opponents in rounds 2, 3, 4 and 5 all made the cut, so despite the somewhat janky nature of the tournament I absolutely did not have an easy ride here! Top 8: Loss Vs Night's Watch Lion (same one as before - this was the eventual winner)
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If Dagmar couldn't make it here........ |
Looks like one hell of deck, and you even managed to beat my worst nightmare when playing GJ: Baratheons! Congrats on beating Swiss! What sort of set up do you usually look for? For a Winter deck, I notice you run really high cost characters, more so than I would like in a Winter deck. Did you ever feel economy was a huge issue, especially since you run both Euron and King Balon? Also, what was your playstyle for each plot? Destroy their economy as much as possible and slowly choke them? |
hi and gratz for your win ! would you change anything to the deck after the tournament ? |
'Half-man,half-hand'? I am intrigued. Please share. |
I'm guessing its clansman Tyrion for claim raising combined with Qhorin for "claim raising". |
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Why not coreBalon?? |
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And one more btw, no problems with first snow and own board?? There are not that many big guys here |
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Hi, I would like to have your opinion on a few cards: -Wildling Bandit (3x seems a lot, did they work in this deck even if you're choking the opponent's economy?) -Ygritte (did you ever see her/get stealth on her?) -Relentless assault (did it work? Were you planning on using it on the 2 claim turn?) |
Thanks for the reply! Really inspired by your deck to try something different for GJ (especially King Balon) A few more things I'm curious about: The deck excels at controlling the board state and keeping it small by burning economy and choking via Winter. What happens when you don't draw PTTT and WDNS? Would your first 1~2 plots be focused on using Winter plots to control the board or would you ANC to play Balon/Euron/both to get a better board state yourself? (TDLR; would you try to control their board more or build your own board) Card choices: How did Relentless Assault work for you? What was it's role throughout your games? You mentioned that UO wasn't really the focus of the deck, but I noticed you included Syrio despite a large proportion of your characters already possessing military icons. Was the stealth really important despite not package Great Kraken into your deck? Was 3x Newly Made Lord too much in your opinion, especially since it can't target economy? |
I am curious about the reasons why sea bitch didn't made the cut considering the main theme of the deck ? |
Brilliant! Why did you end up playing confiscation? |
How readily would you use PTTT or We Do Not Sow on econ locations to reinforce the Winter choke against factions other than Tyrell/NW/Lannister? |
Apologies all for the delayed responses:
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Odd reasoning about not including Sea Bitch. It's so good against Iron Mines, and right now GJ is so popular, that I think it's just a matter of your local meta or your pairings that you didn't face GJ. |
James, I find the same thing with Sea Bitch. I like it right now as a 1x mostly because you can play it out, and depending on the opponent's build, it can have a strong deterrent effect or sometimes get you through a challenge you wouldn't otherwise win (steal Red Keep or something). That's said, I think its power level is overstated in a choke build that has more consistent location removal. |
Incidentally, it occurred to me that since this deck has featured in a couple of youtube videos, it'd be worth linking them here: Round 5 of the Brighton Charity Joust: www.youtube.com Top 8 (same event): www.youtube.com Deck Talk (first video discussing the deck, second an example of it being used): www.youtube.com / www.youtube.com |
Would you include Raiding the Bay of Ice now or is the location destruction just better then the bounce even at an easier cost and the pillage fun? |
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How about the new Wildlings? Rattleshirt seems useful maybe instead of Syrio at the same cost slot, or Crow Killers instead of the Bandits since the Winter plots tend to have a lower reserve. Although since you're lowering the opponents reserve at the same time it may be a moot point... probably not happening often enough to justify the higher cost over the bandits. |
I've actually re-tooled the deck to remove Syrio already, but Rattleshirt should definitely go in as a 1x, yes. Crow Killers seem promising, but I'd want to see how widespread Retaliation is before I include them due to that difficult cost slot. They definitely have potential to be power houses here though. |
How would you reconfigure the limited economy with the new greyjoy location in the guarding the realm pack? With that location does pillage become more of priority do you think? |
One thing I forgot to mention in the initial write-up was how important the 3x PttT and 3x WDNS are to the point of this deck - in the 6 games on the day I got at least one of them off turn one in four games, and in 2 of the games I got to use both turn one to establish complete dominance over the game from the off. It is absolutely mean to play against, in all the right ways.