Tulsa Regional 1st Place - Saiyan Saga 2.0

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congrats on your win! one of the more interesting decisions in Stark is which sansa to use. Did this one work better than the core one, even with your defense/power gain plan? How did the minstrels work - would you keep them or replace them with something like littlefinger? I really like milk and nightmares, so many ways to blank powerful guys. Would you suggest any changes?

@SirLargeness Riverrun Minstrel is a really interesting choice. Doesn't get The First Snow of Wintered, rushes for a single power, raises the intrigue count. Is that worth it being so subpar, stat-wise? Also, have you considered Close Call at all?

Congratulations on your win.

The simple fact that Sansa can cost 1 after a fealty makes this version work for me more than the Core one, if only because so much of the rest of our deck costs alot. Core sansa is really good still, so if the money works for you then its really a personal preference at that point. I actually liked the Riverrun Minstrel, you could run a Littlefinger if you wanted to, though the more neutral guys we have the more wonkey our economy game gets. I only added Syrio the day before the tournament as thats when i also added Tradin w/ pentoshi. Without tradin, i wouldnt be running him either. The Mistrels cost 4 which we wanted against The First Snow of Winter, they provide a power which is also great, and its just a bonus if that power gets to go to The Blackfish, though not really required.

If i were to say that anything could be changed, it would be the 1x Osha and Hodor. Could be that we need bigger impact characters for those slots, but Osha is like my favorite card right now so i just cant do it, and Hodor is a 1 cost defender after fealty, so also hard for me to cut also.

@dtrooper Close call could work, but I have trouble figuring out where it would go and what would come out. It's effect is definitely desirable for our deck.

throughout the day i wasnt negatively impacted by Riverrun Minstrel's stat line, as each time it was in play i also had winterfel out, so they were attacking into Littlefingers or Tyrion Lannister and winning. the games where you get to live the dream with Blackfish at 4 power and 1-2 other tully cards are hilarious..

I can't wait for our tourney report. I was running the Martell/Lion deck when both our brains shut off for the first three plots.

Nicely done, I hope your next version is a Kings of Winter and labeled the Freiza saga :D

Awesome write up, thanks.

Any way to go around Nightmares? I was so happy to skip one extension pack.

What do you think of Ser Rodrik?

@uolmo, Nightmares was pretty clutch, but you could cut it for like a 2nd Lady and another character. I wouldnt say its absolutely necessary, but it helps in the games where we have a rough matchup.

@Acudogon, i tried him as a one of in earlier versions but he's just kinda awkward and drives the cost of our deck up. Blackfish gives us card draw on Mil challenges anyway, Rodrick is definitely more draw but i would have to commit more to Red on a turn and i really try to avoid that. Mil is not our most important challenge to attack on.

I see a lot of versions running Winter is coming over Nightmares, was your choice a meta one, or more just your play style lends yourself to it?

@AXPickleabout a month about i switched playstyles from the Kill heavy aggro stark that got me Top 4 in Dallas to this. I ended up deciding to drop Winter Is Coming cause if we are not also putting heavy red pressure on our opponent then a third of that card's function is sorta negated, also WIC is much better when paired with any 2 power plots, which we also dont have.

Originally i wanted to have no events whatsoever but Nightmares proved to be too valuable during the First Snow or Long Winter turns and it served its purpose excellently during the tournament.

Play a similar deck in France regional (3rd/23 6-2) and in local tournament (1st/18 5-0). I published it here : thronesdb.com

Main differences are :

+2 Arya's Gift (nice for controlling milk)

+2 Frozen Solid (for GJ matchups and Ghaston Grey)

@dtrooper well if you SOMEHOW manage to get that 4 renown blackfish, the minstrels don't kneel to attack either since they're tully so they're not bad. I mean, a bicon which is valuable to stark and a AND you gain 1 power. For 4 gold i call worth. plus cant be snowed.

How did your deck fair without a reset in your plot deck? And how did it cope with an opponent's reset?

My dilemma with Stark (Fealty or banner X) is whether they need one.

@RedVipergreat question. For this deck, we dont need resets as we dont care about how horizontal our opponents board gets. We have answers to singular problem pieces for their side, but generally when we are going second they have to throw a large amount of guys our way on almost every challenge so we dont gain renown power. This either makes them choose to be vulnerable on the crack back, or minimize their challenges upfront.

First snow of winter turn has hurt, which is why we never want to overcommit to small dudes, and if our opening hand is all dudes 3 or less, then we need to mulligan even if that was a potential 5 card set up. Ideal setup for us is usually 3 cards 5-2-1, or 6-2-0.

Wildfire we just have to predict and hold cards in our hand after a certain point. no need to outnumber your opponents character's on the board, as ours are usually more impactful with winterfell out. Also, if we have Arya and Septa Mordain out, we get free advantage over our opponent's reset events as Arya will not be affected at all.

How can Jory Cassel "eat 2 claim all by himself"? Am I missing something?

@celric you can choose him and someone else as claim then use his ability to save the other person. Thus for a 2 claim military you only use Jory, and he gets sacrificed instead of killed.

@AXPickle That doesn't seem correct.

The rules ref states: "When a player loses a military challenge as the defending player, that player must choose a number of different characters he or she controls equal to the claim value on the attacking player’s revealed plot card, and kill those characters. The chosen characters are all killed simultaneously."

It also states: "Sacrificing a card does not satisfy any other means (such as “kill” or “discard”) of a card leaving play."

If the characters are killed simultaneously, the kill is still the next thing to happen to him. It seems you'd need to save Jory before you could sacrifice him to save the other character.

`@celric thronesdb.com

I think if it was a reaction, you'd be correct, but Jory's ability is an interrupt so it gets it's own window

"Always resolve interrupts to a triggering condition before resolving the consequences of the triggering condition itself"

@AXPicklefair enough and I found additional evidence for your conclusion. community.fantasyflightgames.com